Alex S. Vitale is a Professor at Brooklyn college. He is the author of the book The End of Policing, which has become a bible for the Defund the Police Movement. I had the pleasure of reading the book recently and was surprised by how persuasive it was. To my further delight, Prof. Vitale responded to my post about it on Twitter and we agreed to have this chat. We talk through some of the main arguments in the book and how to propagate them, and reflect on the huge impact the book has had.